AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The accelerating mad rush to enterprise Linux desktops          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message asj Guest Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:27 pm    Post subject: The accelerating mad rush to enterprise Linux desktops Call it the "Dotcom Strategy Part Deux", or SMIEW (pronounced smoooow, or "screwing Microsoft the IE way"). During the heydey of the dotcom industry, internet companies frequently sacrificed profitability in order to achieve market penetration and market share. In the same way, Microsoft frequenly gives away products for free in order to squelch competitors (IE versus Netscape, anyone?) Now, Sun is doing a great job sticking it to Microsoft with its new Java Desktop, pulling in some pretty large orders recently from customers fed up with Microsoft's expensive alternatives. The most recent wins include the Allied Irish Banks (AIB) which has just signed a deal with Sun to switch its 7,500 branches' desktops from Windows to the Linux-based Java Desktop System (JDS), and the government of New South Wales, Australia, which will shift 1,500 users from Windows to its software. Sun will be the first to tell you they are not getting that much out of these desktop deals financially (at least, not when compared to the server deals it usually does), but are hoping instead to sell the more expensive backend servers as a reward for the desktop loss-leaders. One fervently hopes Sun is looking into going the IE path to success and not have this project end up in the dotcom graveyard. From: http://www.jroller.com/page/kalimantan/20040629#sun_s_dotcom_strategy_part Back to top Roedy Green Guest Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: The accelerating mad rush to enterprise Linux desktops On 29 Jun 2004 09:27:23 -0700, [email]asj (AT) blueboard (DOT) com[/email] (asj) wrote or quoted : Quote: The most recent wins include the Allied Irish Banks (AIB) which has just signed a deal with Sun to switch its 7,500 branches' desktops from Windows to the Linux-based Java Desktop System (JDS), and the government of New South Wales, Australia, which will shift 1,500 users from Windows to its software. Once that happens, Sun can't very well drop the product. They would get sued. Further, the banks would somehow get together to keep it alive. And they will keep it alive for a long long time. This is very bad news for MS. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Back to top altkey Guest Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The accelerating mad rush to enterprise Linux desktops Roedy Green wrote: Quote: On 29 Jun 2004 09:27:23 -0700, [email]asj (AT) blueboard (DOT) com[/email] (asj) wrote or quoted : The most recent wins include the Allied Irish Banks (AIB) which has just signed a deal with Sun to switch its 7,500 branches' desktops from Windows to the Linux-based Java Desktop System (JDS), and the government of New South Wales, Australia, which will shift 1,500 users from Windows to its software. Once that happens, Sun can't very well drop the product. They would get sued. Further, the banks would somehow get together to keep it alive. And they will keep it alive for a long long time. This is very bad news for MS. I'm not sure why it matters anyway. Linux/Java can stand on their own merits and what happens at MS isn't important. If MS wins the current desktop battle it'll probably be because a MS desktop is offering what customers want and if MS loses it'll be because Linux (or whatever technology wins) is offering customers what they want. I can't see anything important about all this 'stick it to MS' crap we keep getting. 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