AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  other look of disabled button          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java Help View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Grzes Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:12 pm    Post subject: other look of disabled button Hi, I would like to change some standard look of some visual components. I'm using Swing. Normally disabled buttons (radio button, check boxes, text fields) appears with grey text on it. Enabled appears as black text on it. How to achieve other look of buttons (radio buttons, check boxes)? I would like that disabled button will behave as disabled, but they should look like enabled. If it is javax.swing.text.JTextComponent or its descendant, I can use setDisabledTextColor(color) method. How to do that with other components? Gregory Back to top Jon A. Cruz Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: other look of disabled button Grzes wrote: Quote: Hi, I would like to change some standard look of some visual components. I'm using Swing. Normally disabled buttons (radio button, check boxes, text fields) appears with grey text on it. Enabled appears as black text on it. How to achieve other look of buttons (radio buttons, check boxes)? I would like that disabled button will behave as disabled, but they should look like enabled. That's really a bad thing to do. Very bad for users. And might gain a very bad reputation for your program. Back to top Grzes Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: other look of disabled button It is users requirement. They would like to (they even need) have disabled components. But grey components are sometimes unreadable, therefore it heve to look like enabled but behave like disabled. They have to press "Edit" button if they wat to edit some data. I have technical problem not user requirements problem. Is it possible to do is simple way? Gregory Quote: That's really a bad thing to do. Very bad for users. And might gain a very bad reputation for your program. Back to top Dag Sunde Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: other look of disabled button "Dale King" <KingD (AT) tmicha (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Grzes" <gfuta (AT) ilab (DOT) pl> wrote It is users requirement. They would like to (they even need) have disabled components. But grey components are sometimes unreadable, therefore it heve to look like enabled but behave like disabled. That seems to be kind of the point. If it is disabled, then there shouldn't really need to read it, since you can't do anything with it. Disagree... It is very common (and useful) to have componens double up as both input and information. Say you have an orderform. Select a product from some kind of list, and the available shipping methods for that particular product shows up in a combo- box for the user to select from. Our imaginary business-rules says that certain products can only be shipped by "FedEx". What is more natural then, than preselect "FedEx" in our combo- box, and disable it to prevent the user selecting something else? -- Dag. Back to top Jon A. Cruz Guest Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: other look of disabled button Grzes wrote: Quote: It is users requirement. They would like to (they even need) have disabled components. But grey components are sometimes unreadable, therefore it heve to look like enabled but behave like disabled. They have to press "Edit" button if they wat to edit some data. Aha. It is a user requirement because they have some other ends in mind, and they figured that making it look normal was the best way to solve it. However, you point out that the *true* requirement is to "keep disabled components legible". That's something slightly higher-level and different. That's the "what" that they need. The stated requirement you first posted is merely the "how" that they think they need to get the desired "what". Quote: I have technical problem not user requirements problem. Is it possible to do is simple way? Actually, you have both. A better solution is to just change the settings in the LookAndFeel for how disabled items are rendered and change them to something that is more legible, yet still visually different from an enabled state. A good software firm/consultant/etc. will be sure to work with clients to get to the root of solving the clients needs, not just delivering what the client asks for up front. 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