AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message JTK Guest Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:05 am    Post subject: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Back to top The Ghost In The Machine Guest Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay In comp.lang.java.advocacy, JTK <gsadjdg (AT) gsdajasgd (DOT) com> wrote on Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:05:17 GMT <hkyvc.119176$hH.2088773 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>: Quote: So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I'm wondering how open Microsoft's process is. The actual C# *language*, of course, is an international ISO standard, but how much of the *libraries* qualify therefor? WinForms in particular is an interesting extension. Also, WinFX looks like it will replace Win32 sometime soon. How open is that? I am hopeful Sun will submit Java 1.5 as an ISO standard, at some point. Certainly Kaffe will enjoy the spec. :-) As it is, software is so intangible anyway (what can one do with a bit?) I'm not sure how much to worry about all this. -- #191, [email]ewill3 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net[/email] It's still legal to go .sigless. Back to top Michael N. Christoff Guest Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net> wrote in message news:cgu3p1-8t3.ln1 (AT) lexi2 (DOT) athghost7038suus.net... Quote: In comp.lang.java.advocacy, JTK [email]gsadjdg (AT) gsdajasgd (DOT) com[/email] wrote on Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:05:17 GMT hkyvc.119176$hH.2088773 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>: So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I'm wondering how open Microsoft's process is. The actual C# *language*, of course, is an international ISO standard, but how much of the *libraries* qualify therefor? If Sun open-sourced _only_ the Java language spec, JTK would be all over it. Again, his double standard shows through. Quote: WinForms in particular is an interesting extension. Also, WinFX looks like it will replace Win32 sometime soon. How open is that? I am hopeful Sun will submit Java 1.5 as an ISO standard, at some point. Certainly Kaffe will enjoy the spec. :-) As it is, software is so intangible anyway (what can one do with a bit?) I'm not sure how much to worry about all this. l8r, Mike N. Christoff Back to top The Ghost In The Machine Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Michael N. Christoff <mchristoff (AT) sympatico (DOT) caREMOVETHIS> wrote on Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:14:17 -0400 <v9Ivc.32752$Hn.1041869 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com>: Quote: "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net> wrote in message news:cgu3p1-8t3.ln1 (AT) lexi2 (DOT) athghost7038suus.net... In comp.lang.java.advocacy, JTK [email]gsadjdg (AT) gsdajasgd (DOT) com[/email] wrote on Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:05:17 GMT hkyvc.119176$hH.2088773 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>: So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I'm wondering how open Microsoft's process is. The actual C# *language*, of course, is an international ISO standard, but how much of the *libraries* qualify therefor? If Sun open-sourced _only_ the Java language spec, JTK would be all over it. Again, his double standard shows through. Well, there is that...although I'd still want Java to be open, myself. Of course part of the J# flap was because Microsoft made mods where it wasn't supposed to, in the libraries (and then there was the 'delegate' keyword). But that's old news now. However, that probably generated a good (?) chunk of badwill... If we're really lucky Java will become open-source and maybe merge with Python or something. :-) [rest snipped] -- #191, [email]ewill3 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net[/email] It's still legal to go .sigless. Back to top Mike Schilling Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay "JTK" <gsadjdg (AT) gsdajasgd (DOT) com> wrote Quote: So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! My experience with the JCP (unlike JTK, I actually have some) is that Sun bends over backwards not to exert undue influence; the result is that if you want to participate in an expert group, being a Sun employee is a disadvantage. I suspect this was not true for Microsoft employees at ECMA. Back to top Rob S. Pierre Guest Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Nowhere to Sun to Bay-bay-ay "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: "JTK" <gsadjdg (AT) gsdajasgd (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hkyvc.119176$hH.2088773 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... So now Sun is going to "Open Source" Solaris? Wow. Well, I for one sure hope it's as "Open" as Java's "Community Process" is! My experience with the JCP (unlike JTK, I actually have some) is that Sun bends over backwards not to exert undue influence; the result is that if you want to participate in an expert group, being a Sun employee is a disadvantage. I suspect this was not true for Microsoft employees at ECMA. ECMA means "European carton manufacturer association". Oh yes ... ask Google. Cartons are "software" and not hardware. 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