AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Looking for multi-window Java IDE          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java Software Tools View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Julian Guest Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Looking for multi-window Java IDE I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Julian Back to top Thomas Schreiner Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE Julian schrieb: Quote: I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Julian NetBeans Thomas Back to top David Segall Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE Thomas Schreiner <ThomasSchreiner (AT) t-online (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: Julian schrieb: I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Julian NetBeans Thomas How do you enable that in NetBeans? I looked in 3.6 but could not find it. Back to top Thomas Schreiner Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE David Segall schrieb: Quote: Thomas Schreiner <ThomasSchreiner (AT) t-online (DOT) de> wrote: Julian schrieb: I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Julian NetBeans Thomas How do you enable that in NetBeans? I looked in 3.6 but could not find it. Tools -> Setup Wizard: Separate Windows Mode OR Tools -> Options -> IDE Configuration -> System -> Sytem Settings -> UI Mode: SDI Mode Thomas Back to top Galen Boyer Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE On Sun, 04 Jul 2004, [email]nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com[/email] wrote: Quote: I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Emacs has frames which are exactly for this. The ability to see the view and edit the same file in different frames and windows is very powerful. The JDEE is the Java Development Environment for Emacs, so it gets this for free. -- Galen Boyer Back to top Julian Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE "Thomas Schreiner" <ThomasSchreiner (AT) t-online (DOT) de> wrote Quote: NetBeans Thomas Fantastic. Thanks so much Thomas. I know that almost all these IDEs have 30 day downloads or are totally free, but at >50MB a download and a learning curve on each IDE, I wasn't looking forward to searching through all the candidates myself. I've downloaded NetBeans and got it running and it looks good. Thanks also to David Segall for asking the obvious question, I'm not sure if I would have found the option myself if he hadn't asked. Java here I come..... Julian. Back to top Julian Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE "Galen Boyer" <galenboyer (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote Quote: On Sun, 04 Jul 2004, [email]nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com[/email] wrote: SNIP Emacs has frames which are exactly for this. The ability to see the view and edit the same file in different frames and windows is very powerful. The JDEE is the Java Development Environment for Emacs, so it gets this for free. -- Galen Boyer Thanks Galen. All my past experience with C programming was with Emacs and it had occured to me that there should be a decent set of tools for an Emacs environment. For now I'm going to use NetBeans because it looks good, but you and others have helped me go from no options (that I was aware of) to 2 so I do appreciate the responses. Julian Back to top Galen Boyer Guest Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE On Tue, 06 Jul 2004, [email]nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com[/email] wrote: Quote: "Galen Boyer" <galenboyer (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ueknp2qwo.fsf (AT) standardandpoors (DOT) com... On Sun, 04 Jul 2004, [email]nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com[/email] wrote: SNIP Emacs has frames which are exactly for this. The ability to see the view and edit the same file in different frames and windows is very powerful. The JDEE is the Java Development Environment for Emacs, so it gets this for free. -- Galen Boyer Thanks Galen. All my past experience with C programming was with Emacs and it had occured to me that there should be a decent set of tools for an Emacs environment. For now I'm going to use NetBeans because it looks good, but you and others have helped me go from no options (that I was aware of) to 2 so I do appreciate the responses. No problem, The JDEE is pretty slick in its editing, has the bells and whistles of others along with the monstrous Emacs and all its little helpers everywhere, but I believe its GUI debugger still is iffy. Any java debugging for me, I use Eclipse. But, we standardize on log4j, so the debugging sessions are less and less for me. A few Emacs gurus have worked on a package called the ECB, "Emacs Code Browser" which is really nice for mouse-browsing the code base, and as always, it is infinitely extensible. I especially like being able to narrow the methods and variables by regular expressions. Allows me to lose the get/set methods until I need them, or find the ones with "find" in their name... But, as always, you have to install, configure and play with before these packages do any good for you. So, JDEE and ECB (along with 50 thousand other elisp add-ons) and you have a ridiculously customized programming experience. -- Galen Boyer Back to top Dale King Guest Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for multi-window Java IDE Hello, Julian! You wrote: Quote: I'm want to experiment with Java and I'd like to find an IDE that I'm comfortable with. I run Windows 2000. All the Java IDE's that I've looked at so far run in a single "master" window and personally I just hate this because everything gets so cluttered. What I'm really looking for is an environment where the individual components of the IDE (editor, debugger, class browser, compiler errors, etc) run as totally seperate windows within the Microsoft Windows environment, i.e. each component has its own entry on the Win2k taskbar. (For anyone who this might make sense to, in Lisp terms I am looking for something that behaves like the Xanalys Lispworks IDE as opposed to the Franz Inc Allegro IDE). Is it just me that hates the <everything in one frame> style of IDE? I prefer it. Having 10 separate windows is a mess. You usually have to hunt for the window you want and with that many windows open you can't tell them apart in the task bar. Quote: To me it is far easier to display more info with multiple overlapping windows because each one can be sized to be big enough to display its contents without needing both vertical and horizontal scrolling, and bringing the window you want to the front is only a single mouseclick. In eclipse all it takes is a double click to toggle expanding any view to take the entire window. I know at one time you could have multiple windows but don't know if that is still possible. Eclipse is also flexible in that you could put all your views into one section of the screen an have tabs to choose among them which is accomplishing about the same thing. You also have perspectives you can switch between which are paticular combinations of views. Quote: Any pointers to an IDE that meets my requirement would save me a lot of frustration. Try Eclipse. It won't let you easily do it the way you want because things like ovelapping windows is in general a bad idea (I've used some debuggers that worked that way and it was a nightmare). But it is fairly flexible and customizable. I can move views around any way I want. Anytime I need a bigger view I just double-click to expand it to the full view. It also has "fast-views" which are ways to dock views to the side o the screen and they automatically hide when not in use. For example I keep my JUnit results view as a fast view and it will slide open when I have a failure but otherwise will remain collapsed. So keep an open mind and realize that perhaps you can find a way to work effectively. Not all programs are as simplistic as you imagine hem to be. A lot of thought has gone into Eclipse to make its UI concepts very eay to use. -- Dale King My Blog: http://daleking.homedns.org/Blog Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java Software Tools All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Java Newsgroups----------------Java DiscussionsWeb-based java games comp.lang.java 3D Graphics API's for Java Java: Support and criticism Java System Announcements comp.lang.java.api JavaBeans Java and CORBA Java and Databases comp.lang.java.developer Java GUI Toolkits Java Help comp.lang.java.javascript JVM, native methods and hardware comp.lang.java.misc Java Language Programming Security and Java comp.lang.java.setup Java Software Tools comp.lang.java.tech ibm.software.java.linux  Non-English Java Newsgroups----------------Java Language (German)Language Java (Français)Java (Italian)  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.