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Michael Rathburn
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 Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: learning java |
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I am interested in learning java and have looked at a few courses which cost
a fortune. I have a couple of books but would really like to do a course
which takes me from the basics upwards and forces me to do end of module
tasks .can anyone point me to any such courses on the internet .
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Oliver Wong
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: learning java |
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"Michael Rathburn" <michaelrathburn (AT) freeola (DOT) com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am interested in learning java and have looked at a few courses which
cost a fortune. I have a couple of books but would really like to do a
course which takes me from the basics upwards and forces me to do end of
module tasks .can anyone point me to any such courses on the internet .
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I don't know about the end-of-module-tasks part, but try
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/
- Oliver |
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IchBin
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Rhino
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: learning java |
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"Michael Rathburn" <michaelrathburn (AT) freeola (DOT) com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am interested in learning java and have looked at a few courses which
cost a fortune. I have a couple of books but would really like to do a
course which takes me from the basics upwards and forces me to do end of
module tasks .can anyone point me to any such courses on the internet .
I know that classroom courses seem very expensive; I've taught some of them |
and I am astonished at students paying $2000, $3000, or more for a week-long
course. But if you think about it, they can still be a good investment.
When I started out in IT, nearly 25 years ago, my employer was using a
hierarchical database called IMS and was reluctant to spend money to send
newbies on a course. Instead, they handed me a poorly-written IBM manual and
let me try to find examples in existing programs to try to figure out what I
needed to do to get information from the database. I was also given the
assistance of a guy who claimed to know IMS very well. I spent a full day
making my best efforts to write a program that accessed an IMS database then
showed it to the guy who was supposed to know what he was doing. He examined
my code and said it was great and should work just fine. That night, I
compiled and ran the program and it had so many errors it must have set a
record! I immediately realized that the guy who was supposed to know what he
was doing was a complete fraud who knew nothing about IMS. I didn't want to
tell our bosses though since it felt like ratting on him so I decided to
just keep slogging away on my own. Gradually, after I'd found and read a lot
of examples and did a lot of trial and error, I mastered IMS programming.
But it took me months to get properly fluent with it.
If my employers had invested the few hundred dollars and sent me on a three
day IMS programming class, I would have been productive and confident at the
end of those three days. It would still have taken some time to become
really fluent but it would have saved them a lot of time and money in the
long run - and avoided a lot of frustration for me. In fact, if I had known
what a slog it would be to learn IMS, I might have paid for the course out
of my own pocket!
You need to think of a course as an investment in yourself, not an expense.
If you do that, I think you will find that a course makes good sense.
You still need to find a GOOD course though. I've taken a few bad ones over
the years and have cringed every time. I'm a big believer in hands-on time
during a course but it is still possible to find courses that don't have any
hands-on time or very little.
I've also seen a few instructors that had me scratching my head. For
instance, I was once observing a class and a student asked the instructor if
such-and-such was possible; the instructor merely replied "no" and was going
to leave it at that. I found this very surprising since good instructors
usually answer a question like that with an explanation of why that
particular thing was not possible and suggest other things that a student
could do to get a result similar to what they wanted. In this case, the
student was not content to take "no" for an answer and asked why. The
instructor then handed the question over to ME - I was observing the class
for the first time so that I could teach it myself later - and I answered
the student properly. I don't know what the instructor would have done if I
hadn't been there but I was not impressed with that instructor!
Now, I don't want to make you paranoid. I wouldn't normally recommend that
someone research an instructor to make sure they were good before signing up
for a course. You can normally expect to get a good instructor as part of
the course. But sometimes there is a bump in the road. A good training
company will have a way for you to make a complaint and get some or all of
your money back if you aren't satisfied with the course for any reason.
Finding a course can be a challenge, particularly if you are not in a major
city. Most courses occur in major cities so if you don't live in one, you
will almost certainly have to travel to the course, which adds to your
expense. But it can still be worth it if you think of it as an investment in
yourself.
To find the best course in your area, I would suggest you post with
information about where you live and ask if other people in your area can
recommend a good course.
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Paul Hamaker
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Matheas Manssen
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: learning java |
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Hi,
I used "Learning JAVA" from O'Reilly
Cheers,
Matheas
"Michael Rathburn" <michaelrathburn (AT) freeola (DOT) com> schreef in bericht
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| Quote: | I am interested in learning java and have looked at a few courses which
cost a fortune. I have a couple of books but would really like to do a
course which takes me from the basics upwards and forces me to do end of
module tasks .can anyone point me to any such courses on the internet .
Thank you....
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