AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in the          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in the Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java --------------------------------------------------- Use of Visual Basic has dropped 35% since the spring, says a poll of more than 430 North American developers done by research company Evans Data Corp. Developers have abandoned Microsoft's Visual Basic in droves during the last six months, and they're using Java more than any other development language, according to a recently published survey. Use of Visual Basic has dropped 35% since the spring, says a poll of more than 430 North American developers done by research company Evans Data. "Microsoft has dominated languages since the early 90s, but we are seeing much more parity now," said John Andrews, president of Evans Data, in a statement. "The use of scripting languages, as well as Java, appears to have limited VB's future market potential." Developers aren't only leaving Visual Basic, they're also less likely to work in the Visual Basic.Net environment; VB.Net use is down 26%, the survey shows. Java now holds the top spot, with 45% of the polled developers saying they used Java during some part of the last six months. C/C++, meanwhile, was used by 40% of the coders, and C# was used by 32%. The survey also indicates that use of Ajax, short for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML, is up 10% since the spring 2006 poll, with 28% of the developers involved in Ajax-style Web interface development at some point during the last six months. Back to top Erik Funkenbusch Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in On 27 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0700, asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: Quote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java VB is dead. Microsoft themselves have been pushing people off it for years. It's no longer supported and a dead end. It comes as no surprise that this is true, and should in fact be happening. Big deal. Further, it's a little disingenuous to count .NET based languages seperately. They're all part of the same platform. What percent is C#, C++/CLI and VB.NET as a whole? I'm betting it's more than 45% given that C# alone is 32%. What I find more interesting about the survey is what it DOESN'T say. For example, it says VB.NET has dropped 26%, but doesn't say what VB or VB.NET's total percentage is, nor does it say how much C# grew, which seems to indicate that author may be Java biased, and is hiding the likely fact that VB.NET users are migrating towards C#, or VB6 developers are going to C# instead of VB.NET. Back to top Linonut Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out this bit o' wisdom: Quote: On 27 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0700, asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java VB is dead. Microsoft themselves have been pushing people off it for years. It's no longer supported and a dead end. It comes as no surprise that this is true, and should in fact be happening. Big deal. EXTREE EXTREE, READ ALL ABOUT IT! MICROSOFT DITCHING BILL GATES' BABY!!! Quote: What I find more interesting about the survey is what it DOESN'T say. For example, it says VB.NET has dropped 26%, but doesn't say what VB or VB.NET's total percentage is, nor does it say how much C# grew, which seems to indicate that author may be Java biased, and is hiding the likely fact that VB.NET users are migrating towards C#, or VB6 developers are going to C# instead of VB.NET. Microsoft -- We offer you the next new language d'jeur. Where do you want to be jerked around today? -- Refactor Windows. Back to top Otis Bricker Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in While I agree that VB is not being pushed, MS is still developing it and it is still supported. Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in news:23sw08ukh3sf.dlg (AT) funkenbusch (DOT) com: Quote: On 27 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0700, asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java VB is dead. Microsoft themselves have been pushing people off it for years. It's no longer supported and a dead end. It comes as no surprise that this is true, and should in fact be happening. Big deal. SNIP Back to top Larry Qualig Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in On Apr 28, 10:41 am, Otis Bricker <obric...@my-dejanews.com> wrote: Quote: While I agree that VB is not being pushed, MS is still developing it and it is still supported. Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote innews:23sw08ukh3sf.dlg (AT) funkenbusch (DOT) com: On 27 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0700, asjbio...@gmail.com wrote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java VB is dead. Microsoft themselves have been pushing people off it for years. It's no longer supported and a dead end. It comes as no surprise that this is true, and should in fact be happening. Big deal. SNIP Quote: While I agree that VB is not being pushed, MS is still developing it and it is still supported. Uh... yeah. When you still have thousands and thousands of customers using a product you just can't abandon it overnight. Back to top John Bailo Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: Quote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... That's kind of old news. I think real comparisons are: Java vs. c# and Scripting vs. compiling -- http://you-read-it-here-first.com Back to top John Bailo Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Quote: What I find more interesting about the survey is what it DOESN'T say. For example, it says VB.NET has dropped 26%, but doesn't say what VB or VB.NET's total percentage is, nor does it say how much C# grew, which seems to indicate that author may be Java biased, and is hiding the likely fact that VB.NET users are migrating towards C#, or VB6 developers are going to C# instead of VB.NET. Also what about all the former VC++ devs? Are they still doing VC? Or c#? Or did they completely jump ship to java? -- http://you-read-it-here-first.com Back to top Roy Schestowitz Guest Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in __/ [ John Bailo ] on Saturday 28 April 2007 17:56 \__ Quote: asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... That's kind of old news. I think real comparisons are: Java vs. c# TIOBE Programming Community Index for November 2006 ,----[ Quote ] | Java 20.400% <<<<<<<<<<<<<< | C 17.198% | C++ 11.055% | (Visual) Basic 9.470% | PHP 9.209% | Perl 6.228% | Python 3.641% | C# 3.023% <<<<<<<<<<<<<< | JavaScript 2.310% | Delphi 2.252% | SAS 2.210% | Ruby 1.717% | PL/SQL 1.223% | D 0.684% | ABAP 0.637% | Lisp/Scheme 0.586% | COBOL 0.564% | Ada 0.546% | Pascal 0.516% | Visual FoxPro 0.431% `---- http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index Quote: and Scripting vs. compiling -- ~~ With kind regards Unisys: open source software set to have a similar impact as the Internet http://Schestowitz.com | Open Prospects ¦ PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E Tasks: 121 total, 2 running, 118 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie http://iuron.com - knowledge engine, not a search engine Back to top Guest Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Evans Data: Microsoft Visual Basic drops like a rock in On Apr 28, 3:34 am, Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote: Quote: On 27 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0700, asjbio...@gmail.com wrote: Missed this earlier...looks like Java EE - on top and rising at 45% - just keeps rolling onwards and eating up VB, while VB continues rolling down, much like i predicted years ago... http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/196600578?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_Java VB is dead. Microsoft themselves have been pushing people off it for years. It's no longer supported and a dead end. It comes as no surprise that this is true, and should in fact be happening. Big deal. Maybe you should talk to some of those VB developers who are really pissed off at Microsoft, eh? The point is that many have migrated away from Microsoft because of this. Who's to say that Microsoft won't suddenly decide to pull the rug on their other sponsored products? That's the problem with things that are strongly controlled by one entity. Btw, how's that Vista launch coming? ROTFLOL.... CompUSA is closing most of its stores and the funniest thing was that I saw a REALLY BIG pile of Windows Vista boxes lying forlornly, prices slashed like crazy but still no buyers Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Java Newsgroups----------------Java DiscussionsWeb-based java games comp.lang.java 3D Graphics API's for Java Java: Support and criticism Java System Announcements comp.lang.java.api JavaBeans Java and CORBA Java and Databases comp.lang.java.developer Java GUI Toolkits Java Help comp.lang.java.javascript JVM, native methods and hardware comp.lang.java.misc Java Language Programming Security and Java comp.lang.java.setup Java Software Tools comp.lang.java.tech ibm.software.java.linux  Non-English Java Newsgroups----------------Java Language (German)Language Java (Français)Java (Italian)  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.