AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead I don't like the guy, but he says what I've been saying to some of my friends: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html -------------------------------------------------------------- A few days ago I suddenly realized Microsoft was dead. I was talking to a young startup founder about how Google was different from Yahoo. I said that Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft. That was why they'd positioned themselves as a "media company" instead of a technology company. Then I looked at his face and realized he didn't understand. It was as if I'd told him how much girls liked Barry Manilow in the mid 80s. Barry who? Microsoft? He didn't say anything, but I could tell he didn't quite believe anyone would be frightened of them. Back to top Roy Schestowitz Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead __/ [ asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com ] on Saturday 07 April 2007 22:58 \__ Quote: I don't like the guy, but he says what I've been saying to some of my friends: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html -------------------------------------------------------------- A few days ago I suddenly realized Microsoft was dead. I was talking to a young startup founder about how Google was different from Yahoo. I said that Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft. That was why they'd positioned themselves as a "media company" instead of a technology company. Then I looked at his face and realized he didn't understand. It was as if I'd told him how much girls liked Barry Manilow in the mid 80s. Barry who? Microsoft? He didn't say anything, but I could tell he didn't quite believe anyone would be frightened of them. He is not the first to make an assertion. The tipping point goes quite some time back (in the context of services in particular). November 25 [2006] - Microsoft Dies ,----[ Quote ] | This is the day. The demise of Microsoft. The day of reckoning has | come at last. Friday 23rd November 2006. Google had seen it's profits | soar massively. Microsoft on the other hand have had an awful year. | Low profits, internal scandals, a lowered reputation and a lowered | customer satisfaction rate have left the company in tatters. `---- http://globa-tech.blogspot.com/2006/11/november-25-microsoft-dies.html Of course, the software division suffers similar issues. Only 12% of the population intends to give up on old software (remember, it's all about the apps) and hop on Vista. Then there's OpenDocument, which could rip Office (or its cost at the least) apart. -- ~~ With kind regards Roy S. Schestowitz | LINUX - (L)ove (I)s (N)ever (U)tterly eXPensive http://Schestowitz.com | RHAT GNU/Linux ¦ PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E run-level 5 Mar 11 15:57 last=S http://iuron.com - help build a non-profit search engine Back to top flyer Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead In article <1175983111.344239.205230 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com>, asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com says... Quote: I don't like the guy, but he says what I've been saying to some of my friends: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html -------------------------------------------------------------- A few days ago I suddenly realized Microsoft was dead. I was talking to a young startup founder about how Google was different from Yahoo. I said that Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft. That was why they'd positioned themselves as a "media company" instead of a technology company. Then I looked at his face and realized he didn't understand. It was as if I'd told him how much girls liked Barry Manilow in the mid 80s. Barry who? Microsoft? He didn't say anything, but I could tell he didn't quite believe anyone would be frightened of them. THAT gave me chills. Incredible observation. What's Microsoft? Oh it's that early attemp, rather silly one really, to scrape mold off things with a dull rock. NOW we've got user inspectable, upgradeable laser removal systems you know. So much for ancient dull rocks. Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead On Apr 7, 7:48 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote: Quote: He is not the first to make an assertion. The tipping point goes quite some time back (in the context of services in particular). November 25 [2006] - Microsoft Dies ,----[ Quote ] | This is the day. The demise of Microsoft. The day of reckoning has | come at last. Friday 23rd November 2006. Google had seen it's profits | soar massively. Microsoft on the other hand have had an awful year. | Low profits, internal scandals, a lowered reputation and a lowered | customer satisfaction rate have left the company in tatters. `---- Interesting...although I would hesitate to characterize Microsoft in any way as a company in "tatters"....it simply is starting to lose its overly-dominant hold on the IT industry. Back to top Paul Hovnanian P.E. Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead More like Microsoft is Undead. It will continue to roam the land for years, consuming the flesh of the living until someone chops its head off. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul (AT) Hovnanian (DOT) com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. Back to top flyer Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead In article <1175994859.595376.166200 (AT) n76g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com>, asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com says... Quote: On Apr 7, 7:48 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote: He is not the first to make an assertion. The tipping point goes quite some time back (in the context of services in particular). November 25 [2006] - Microsoft Dies ,----[ Quote ] | This is the day. The demise of Microsoft. The day of reckoning has | come at last. Friday 23rd November 2006. Google had seen it's profits | soar massively. Microsoft on the other hand have had an awful year. | Low profits, internal scandals, a lowered reputation and a lowered | customer satisfaction rate have left the company in tatters. `---- Interesting...although I would hesitate to characterize Microsoft in any way as a company in "tatters"....it simply is starting to lose its overly-dominant hold on the IT industry. A sellout of MS stock, more possible than is now obvious, would be dramatic. Confidence in MS could shatter overnight. The very new factor is matured Linux. Hard migration road for sure, but once people decide, they can get incredibly industrious. I can imagine the developers and adopters going full bore on this. I suppose it could be a gradient ride, but the dissolving fear of MS, as you point out, combined with loss of confidence, could bring a huge and fast surprise. The confidence factor is many times more important than anyone realizes. Without it, stock value, or any value really, does not even exist. One, or some set of investors could begin a sellout that could peak within hours if not days. Much stranger things have happend. It's almost spooky, and is starting to feel like the calm before the storm. Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead On Apr 7, 10:28 pm, flyer <f...@there.net> wrote: Quote: In article <1175994859.595376.166...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, asjbio...@gmail.com says... On Apr 7, 7:48 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote: He is not the first to make an assertion. The tipping point goes quite some time back (in the context of services in particular). November 25 [2006] - Microsoft Dies ,----[ Quote ] | This is the day. The demise of Microsoft. The day of reckoning has | come at last. Friday 23rd November 2006. Google had seen it's profits | soar massively. Microsoft on the other hand have had an awful year. | Low profits, internal scandals, a lowered reputation and a lowered | customer satisfaction rate have left the company in tatters. `---- Interesting...although I would hesitate to characterize Microsoft in any way as a company in "tatters"....it simply is starting to lose its overly-dominant hold on the IT industry. A sellout of MS stock, more possible than is now obvious, would be dramatic. Confidence in MS could shatter overnight. The very new factor is matured Linux. Hard migration road for sure, but once people decide, they can get incredibly industrious. I can imagine the developers and adopters going full bore on this. I suppose it could be a gradient ride, but the dissolving fear of MS, as you point out, combined with loss of confidence, could bring a huge and fast surprise. The confidence factor is many times more important than anyone realizes. Without it, stock value, or any value really, does not even exist. One, or some set of investors could begin a sellout that could peak within hours if not days. Much stranger things have happend. It's almost spooky, and is starting to feel like the calm before the storm. Here's one Microsoft response...he obviously misses the point: http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/13582 Back to top Winston Eisenhart Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead The Liar Schestowitz wrote: Quote: _ <snip .......................... http://www.paulgraham.com/cliffsnotes.html When I wrote that Microsoft was dead, I didn't mean it literally. So maybe I'd better explain exactly what I did mean. What I meant was not that Microsoft is suddenly going to stop making money, but that people at the leading edge of the software business no longer have to think about them. But that does at least entail some risk. If you're the first to call something, you'd better be right. If the monster turns out not to be dead after all—if they can somehow morph themselves into something startups have to worry about again—I'll look like a fool. But I'm willing to take that risk. .......................... Back to top Roy Schestowitz Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead __/ [ asjbiotek (AT) gmail (DOT) com ] on Sunday 08 April 2007 14:53 \__ Quote: On Apr 7, 10:28 pm, flyer <f...@there.net> wrote: In article <1175994859.595376.166...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, asjbio...@gmail.com says... On Apr 7, 7:48 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote: He is not the first to make an assertion. The tipping point goes quite some time back (in the context of services in particular). November 25 [2006] - Microsoft Dies ,----[ Quote ] | This is the day. The demise of Microsoft. The day of reckoning has | come at last. Friday 23rd November 2006. Google had seen it's | profits soar massively. Microsoft on the other hand have had an | awful year. Low profits, internal scandals, a lowered reputation and | a lowered customer satisfaction rate have left the company in | tatters. `---- Interesting...although I would hesitate to characterize Microsoft in any way as a company in "tatters"....it simply is starting to lose its overly-dominant hold on the IT industry. A sellout of MS stock, more possible than is now obvious, would be dramatic. Confidence in MS could shatter overnight. The very new factor is matured Linux. Hard migration road for sure, but once people decide, they can get incredibly industrious. I can imagine the developers and adopters going full bore on this. I suppose it could be a gradient ride, but the dissolving fear of MS, as you point out, combined with loss of confidence, could bring a huge and fast surprise. The confidence factor is many times more important than anyone realizes. Without it, stock value, or any value really, does not even exist. One, or some set of investors could begin a sellout that could peak within hours if not days. Much stranger things have happend. It's almost spooky, and is starting to feel like the calm before the storm. Here's one Microsoft response...he obviously misses the point: http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/13582 June 2006: The Microsoft malaise ,----[ Quote ] | "Commentary: Eight signs that the software giant is dead in the water" `---- http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B629B28CD-9E0E-48CA-8E8B-243AA6E2CB92%7D&dist=lycos&siteid=lycos There's a proverb that goes: when two people say you're drunk, go to bed. In this case, at least 3 parties, on separate occasions and independently, said the same thing. Rumours about the death of Microsoft are /not/ greatly exaggerated (the famous quote again). -- ~~ With kind regards Roy S. Schestowitz | McDonald's does to diet what Microsoft does to PC's http://Schestowitz.com | GNU is Not UNIX | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E roy pts/3 Mon Apr 9 03:34 - 03:36 (00:01) http://iuron.com - proposing a non-profit search engine Back to top Ramon F Herrera Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: P. Graham: Microsoft is Dead On Apr 7, 9:26 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote: Quote: More like Microsoft is Undead. It will continue to roam the land for years, consuming the flesh of the living until someone chops its head off. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. 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