AppletTalk.com Java discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Try this amazing Java applet          AppletTalk.com Forum Index -> Java: Support and criticism View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Holger K. Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Try this amazing Java applet www.map24.com and tell me applets are history. Back to top The Ghost In The Machine Guest Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Holger K. <holger@k.not> wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:08:38 +0200 <408fba95$0$270$edfadb0f (AT) dread11 (DOT) news.tele.dk>: Quote: www.map24.com and tell me applets are history. Interesting. A nice integration of applet and server technology, bolstered by a map database and registration records for such things as eateries. Don't know if the applet reduces bandwidth or not (maps.yahoo.com for example uses computer-generated images, which have to be transmitted to the user's browser; your applet presumably can use any protocol it wants). The site has been nominated for a Webby, though I'm not sure "Technical Achievement" quite fits here -- it's more of a well-done holistic integration of all of the various parts. -- #191, [email]ewill3 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net[/email] It's still legal to go .sigless. Back to top Roedy Green Guest Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:10:42 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net> wrote or quoted : Quote: Don't know if the applet reduces bandwidth or not (maps.yahoo.com for example uses computer-generated images, which have to be transmitted to the user's browser; your applet presumably can use any protocol it wants). It must. It can cache map data while you watch. It does not need giant bit maps, just the co-ordinates. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. Back to top Darko Aleksic Guest Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:08:38 +0200, "Holger K." <holger@k.not> wrote: Quote: www.map24.com and tell me applets are history. Well, to be honest, who cares? But it did. however, remind me of komplex applets. I see they are into phones these days or something, but I remember that even JTK made some signature-worth comments back then when he saw them for the first time (1998-9, I think.. and it involved OpenGL or something... he obviously forgot about them, heh...) Well, you will always have users, abusers, and artists... Darko Back to top The Ghost In The Machine Guest Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Roedy Green <see (AT) mindprod (DOT) com.invalid> wrote on Sat, 01 May 2004 04:53:02 GMT <n7b6909ac4e2cjsld7etd6tio7ai5l86qr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>: Quote: On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:10:42 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine [email]ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net[/email]> wrote or quoted : Don't know if the applet reduces bandwidth or not (maps.yahoo.com for example uses computer-generated images, which have to be transmitted to the user's browser; your applet presumably can use any protocol it wants). It must. It can cache map data while you watch. It does not need giant bit maps, just the co-ordinates. Depends on the problem -- Like I said, not all that innovative, just very nicely done. I could see more useful data coming down the line, especially if someone gets really clever and starts doing 3-D street rendition using Java's 3D api (which basically hooks into OpenGL AIUI). (Besides, Microsoft has had applets since IE4. They just call them "ActiveX components" and do a lot of the work for such things as Office, AIUI. Sun Applets are more robustly implemented and aren't as susceptible to various viruses and malicious pages. ) [.sigsnip] -- #191, [email]ewill3 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net[/email] It's still legal to go .sigless. Back to top Luke Tulkas Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net> wrote in message news:e92lm1-v49.ln1 (AT) lexi2 (DOT) athghost7038suus.net... Quote: In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Roedy Green [email]see (AT) mindprod (DOT) com.inva[/email]lid wrote on Sat, 01 May 2004 04:53:02 GMT [email]n7b6909ac4e2cjsld7etd6tio7ai5l86qr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com[/email]>: On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:10:42 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine [email]ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net[/email]> wrote or quoted : Don't know if the applet reduces bandwidth or not (maps.yahoo.com for example uses computer-generated images, which have to be transmitted to the user's browser; your applet presumably can use any protocol it wants). It must. It can cache map data while you watch. It does not need giant bit maps, just the co-ordinates. Depends on the problem -- Like I said, not all that innovative, just very nicely done. I could see more useful data coming down the line, especially if someone gets really clever and starts doing 3-D street rendition using Java's 3D api (which basically hooks into OpenGL AIUI). (Besides, Microsoft has had applets since IE4. They just call them "ActiveX components" and do a lot of the work for such things as Office, AIUI. Sun Applets are more robustly implemented and aren't as susceptible to various viruses and malicious pages. ) MICROS~1 also has had Windows since 197?. Of course it was named DOS then. The fact that it wasn't implemented robustly & that it was susceptible to various viruses is generaly known. Not much has changed since then. Back to top The Ghost In The Machine Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Try this amazing Java applet In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Luke Tulkas <Luke_Tulkas_88 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote on Thu, 6 May 2004 14:27:22 +0200 <2fup9aF2fj8dU1 (AT) uni-berlin (DOT) de>: Quote: "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net> wrote in message news:e92lm1-v49.ln1 (AT) lexi2 (DOT) athghost7038suus.net... In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Roedy Green [email]see (AT) mindprod (DOT) com.inva[/email]lid wrote on Sat, 01 May 2004 04:53:02 GMT [email]n7b6909ac4e2cjsld7etd6tio7ai5l86qr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com[/email]>: On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:10:42 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine [email]ewill (AT) aurigae (DOT) athghost7038suus.net[/email]> wrote or quoted : Don't know if the applet reduces bandwidth or not (maps.yahoo.com for example uses computer-generated images, which have to be transmitted to the user's browser; your applet presumably can use any protocol it wants). It must. It can cache map data while you watch. It does not need giant bit maps, just the co-ordinates. Depends on the problem -- Like I said, not all that innovative, just very nicely done. I could see more useful data coming down the line, especially if someone gets really clever and starts doing 3-D street rendition using Java's 3D api (which basically hooks into OpenGL AIUI). (Besides, Microsoft has had applets since IE4. They just call them "ActiveX components" and do a lot of the work for such things as Office, AIUI. Sun Applets are more robustly implemented and aren't as susceptible to various viruses and malicious pages. ) MICROS~1 also has had Windows since 197?. Of course it was named DOS then. The fact that it wasn't implemented robustly & that it was susceptible to various viruses is generaly known. Not much has changed since then. Microsoft has had Windows since 1976 or 1983, depending on whether one picks company founding date or Windows announcement date. (The actual launch was in 1985 -- one year before the X Windows System made its launch, but one year after X Windows System was announced.) The primary design issue with Windows is the Shell, which suffers from a bit of a flaw: "Open" = "Execute". However, a fair number of other flaws are also extant, most of them buffer overruns AFAICT. Java Applets may make a resurgence, with any luck -- the main issue may be ensuring that they are seamlessly integrated into IE. The Plugin isn't too bad but can suffer a delay during launch. -- #191, [email]ewill3 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net[/email] It's still legal to go .sigless. 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