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Boris Gorjan
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 Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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Thomas Hawtin wrote:
| Quote: | Roedy Green wrote:
My own view is that version numbers should be based on date.
so a release today would be 2006.3 and if there were several in the
month, they would be 2006.3.5 and 2006.3.26.
Dates are much more meaningful on how fresh software is than version
numbers. My scheme would let you know instantly whether you likely had
the latest version on hearing the new version number.
So, would you not bother with any updates (say security updates) to Java
1.3 and 1.4 once 1.5 had been released? Should 1.5 have been dropped the
first 1.6.0-ea drop?
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1.3, 1.4, 1.5 and 1.6 could/should be considered as different products
altogether. Like Tiger, Mustang, Jackass, TRex, Bigfoot, Blueracer, Roadrunner,
<younameit/>. Each of those would have date-based versioning like Roedy suggested. |
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Raghar
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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Roedy Green <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website (AT) munged (DOT) invalid>
wrote in news:a6gh02l6ef4javdem0666pad76bllc4cbm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:
| Quote: | In a very simple world, versions would start at 1 and increment
each time a new build was released to the public. Internally
there could be a build number that increments on every global
rebuild.
I can see perhaps wanting to distinguish a major release with
new features from just touch ups.
So we would then have release 7.12
But what's with 1.3.1_01?/ do we really need FOUR levels. to
describe perhaps 3 actual releases. Get serious.
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product type 1 (Java). sub type of product 5 . version of product
0. build/ minor/ repair version _06
In contrast type 0 oak. 2.0._04 would be something completely
different.
Of course if they'd used Java 2005, it would be more clear. Java
2005 update 1 would sound nice too.
(Considering they need 1.5 year to get one version out even if they
are in the hurry.) |
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Oliver Wong
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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"Jeroen Wenting" <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote in message
news:120rgkk60rfcgb2 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
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"Ben Caradoc-Davies" <ben (AT) wintersun (DOT) org> wrote in message
news:4409a165$0$21848$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=TeXfuture
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What is the future of TeX?
Knuth has declared that he will do no further development of TeX; he will
continue to fix any bugs that are reported to him (though bugs are rare).
This decision was made soon after TeX version 3.0 was released; at each
bug-fix release the version number acquires one more digit, so that it
tends to the limit pi (at the time of writing, Knuth's latest release is
version 3.141592). Knuth wants TeX to be frozen at version pi when he
dies; thereafter, no further changes may be made to Knuth's source. (A
similar rule is applied to Metafont; its version number tends to the
limit e, and currently stands at 2.718.)
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Can I have the version of my pet project limited to the number i?
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No, get real. These sort of schemes work better when the target number
is irrational anyway.
- Oliver |
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James Westby
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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Oliver Wong wrote:
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"Jeroen Wenting" <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote in message
news:120rgkk60rfcgb2 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
"Ben Caradoc-Davies" <ben (AT) wintersun (DOT) org> wrote in message
news:4409a165$0$21848$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=TeXfuture
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What is the future of TeX?
Knuth has declared that he will do no further development of TeX; he
will continue to fix any bugs that are reported to him (though bugs
are rare). This decision was made soon after TeX version 3.0 was
released; at each bug-fix release the version number acquires one
more digit, so that it tends to the limit pi (at the time of writing,
Knuth's latest release is version 3.141592). Knuth wants TeX to be
frozen at version pi when he dies; thereafter, no further changes may
be made to Knuth's source. (A similar rule is applied to Metafont;
its version number tends to the limit e, and currently stands at 2.718.)
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Can I have the version of my pet project limited to the number i?
No, get real. These sort of schemes work better when the target
number is irrational anyway.
- Oliver
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What makes you think that i is rational?
James |
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Jeroen Wenting
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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"Ben Caradoc-Davies" <ben (AT) wintersun (DOT) org> wrote in message
news:4409a165$0$21848$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
| Quote: | Jeroen Wenting wrote:
"Roedy Green" <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website (AT) munged (DOT) invalid> wrote in
message news:a6gh02l6ef4javdem0666pad76bllc4cbm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
In a very simple world, versions would start at 1 and increment each
time a new build was released to the public. Internally there could
be a build number that increments on every global rebuild.
I can see perhaps wanting to distinguish a major release with new
features from just touch ups.
So we would then have release 7.12
But what's with 1.3.1_01?/ do we really need FOUR levels. to
describe perhaps 3 actual releases. Get serious.
You're obviously out of touch with the reality of modern software
development as practiced in the open source world. There you need an
infinite number of levels, and will not be considered a serious player if
you don't release alpha versions of release candidates of beta versions.
The last word goes to the master:
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=TeXfuture
******
What is the future of TeX?
Knuth has declared that he will do no further development of TeX; he will
continue to fix any bugs that are reported to him (though bugs are rare).
This decision was made soon after TeX version 3.0 was released; at each
bug-fix release the version number acquires one more digit, so that it
tends to the limit pi (at the time of writing, Knuth's latest release is
version 3.141592). Knuth wants TeX to be frozen at version pi when he
dies; thereafter, no further changes may be made to Knuth's source. (A
similar rule is applied to Metafont; its version number tends to the limit
e, and currently stands at 2.718.)
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Can I have the version of my pet project limited to the number i? |
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Ian Pilcher
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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James Westby wrote:
| Quote: | What makes you think that i is rational?
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I'll bite. What do you put after the decimal point?
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James Westby
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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Ian Pilcher wrote:
| Quote: | James Westby wrote:
What makes you think that i is rational?
I'll bite. What do you put after the decimal point?
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I don't know, but I imagine that I couldn't write it in closed form. For
that matter what do you pu in front?
I always assumed that i would be irrational, but maybe it is neither
irrational nor rational.
James |
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The Ghost In The Machine
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: Is i irrational? (was Re: Versionincrementaphobia) |
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In comp.lang.java.advocacy, James Westby
<jw2328 (AT) bris (DOT) ac.uk>
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on Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:34:56 GMT
<Q7mPf.94623$Q22.48409 (AT) fe1 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
| Quote: | Ian Pilcher wrote:
James Westby wrote:
What makes you think that i is rational?
I'll bite. What do you put after the decimal point?
I don't know, but I imagine that I couldn't write it in closed form. For
that matter what do you pu in front?
I always assumed that i would be irrational, but maybe it is neither
irrational nor rational.
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An interesting philosophical question. If a number is
rational it can be expressed as p/q, where p and q are
integers, q != 0. Therefore i is not rational.
However, it's not clear whether i is irrational or not,
since irrational also means "not rational", but I for one
would think that an irrational number is real, and i is
not real.
Also, there are at least two different ways of defining
a real number (Dedekind cuts and Cauchy sequences), and
neither can be used for i, since i is not part of the
total real ordering, nor can it be the limit of any sequence of
rationals, even allowing for silly claims such as -1 = 1+2+4+8+... .
(Briefly: if x = 1+2+4+..., then 2*x=2+4+8+... = x-1;
therefore 2*x = x-1 or x = -1, despite all partial sums
of the series being positive. But it's not i.)
On the flip side, though,
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IrrationalNumber.html simply
defines an irrational number as any number which cannot
be a quotient p/q of two integers, but the definition is a
bit sloppy since it implies irrational numbers have decimal
expansions (though it has real and imaginary parts, which can).
This appears to be a "definitional bug".
It gets bizarre though, as i is an algebraic integer,
and a unit of the algebraic number field. (There are a
lot of units in that field, as opposed to the two units +1
and -1 in the rational field.)
So now we have a non-rational algebraic unit. At this
point it's probably best to head out for a coffee or
tea break as one's brain is probably screaming for aspirin
at this point. :-)
Followups to a slightly more logical discussion area. :-)
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Otis Bricker
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Versionincrementaphobia |
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James Westby <jw2328 (AT) bris (DOT) ac.uk> wrote in news:Q7mPf.94623$Q22.48409
@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
| Quote: | I always assumed that i would be irrational, but maybe it is neither
irrational nor rational.
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That is how I always imagined it.
Otis |
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Kent Paul Dolan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: DO NOT USE JAVA BECAUSE IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE |
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"atbusbook" <atbusbook (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Programing Languiges Are Ment to be free. That is why i am starting The
i>Coo De Tar</i> thats french for Blow of state it is a flash/java
alternative and if you are going to use a server side languige use
Perl,Python or better yet Ruby. What is the point of a languige without
a standerd and without a open source distrabution. Coo De Tar will be
released as a api for perl,python and ruby. Java sucks because it IS
NOT FREE. I AM A GNU GUY I BELEVE THAT SOFTWARE MUST AND SHALL BE
FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do not use java because it is an oxymoron
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Aside from that your spelling and attitudes are typical
of a grade schooler, you should be aware that provocative
trolling expressions of opinion belong in *.advocacy
newsgroups, not in main hierarchy technical newsgroups.
xanthian.
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asj
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: Re: DO NOT USE JAVA BECAUSE IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE |
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Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
| Quote: | Aside from that your spelling and attitudes are typical
of a grade schooler, you should be aware that provocative
trolling expressions of opinion belong in *.advocacy
newsgroups, not in main hierarchy technical newsgroups.
xanthian.
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tsk, tsk, will the young never learn? MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND.
Ok, maybe it's the gravitational pull of the sun, but you know what i
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Kent Paul Dolan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: =off topic=: DO NOT USE JAVA BECAUSE IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE |
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asj wrote:
| Quote: | tsk, tsk, will the young never learn?
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Thanks for that, my snow white hair and face full
of wrinkles rarely rate _that_ adjective.
xanthian, how old's the geezer, momma? 62 and aging! |
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asj
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Azureus - best overall winner (SourceForge Community Choice |
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Btw, congrats to Azureus! And check out QNext, a small, Java-based
peer-to-peer application combining instant messaging and file-sharing.
http://qnext.com/
asj wrote:
| Quote: | Why Linux + Java?
Linux is the only long-term viable alternative to Windows on the
server, while Java...well:
1. Java is the #1 language in Sourceforge, and according to the Tiobe
Index, the #1 language in terms of "popularity".
2. Open source Java is, bar none, one of the most vibrant communities
out there, with an unmatched diversity in tools like Eclipse,
Netbeans, Apache Tomcat, Apache Geronimo, JBOSS, Hibernate, Lucene,
Spring, etc, etc....even Redhat snagged its own open source Java app
server.
3. Java is arguably the most ubiquitous platform at this time. It runs
in an estimated 2.5 billion devices: it powers most of the SIM cards in
your cellphones as well as the cellphone apps and games themselves, it
runs the national health cards of several countries and the security
cards of organizations like the US army; cool Java desktop apps like
Azureus and QNext (http://qnext.com/) are starting to gain some
traction, and java is still unmatched in the enterprise space, powering
the businesses of companies from Google to eBay, to 90% of the Fortune
500 companies.
4. Java has been kicking Microsoft in the balls for nearly a decade
now. The last several years, Java has easily squashed 2 attempts by
Microsoft to get into the smart card market, has overpowered microsoft
in the mobile devices arena, and is beating Microsoft in the consumer
devices market (DVDs, set-top boxes, etc). For example, Java will be
powering the interactivity of the new Blu-ray high-definition DVD
players and discs (200 GB discs in future!) from Sony, Samsung,
Panasonic, and others that are rolling out this year.
As someone once said, the enemy of my enemy, is my friend  |
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L Leed
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Why Linux + Java |
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L Leed wrote:
| Quote: | When you have open source products like Azureus that show what can be
done with Java on Linux, when you have Java open source tools like
Eclipse and Netbeans that can help make those open source desktop
products, then the possibilities of this route become obvious.
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In fact, there are some really cool open source Java desktop apps out
there that run on Linux (and any OS):
For example, here's the open source JLGUI, a desktop MP3 (and other)
player:
http://www.javazoom.net/jlgui/jlgui.html |
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L Leed
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Why Linux + Java |
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
| Quote: | 1. Java is the #1 language in Sourceforge, and according to the Tiobe
Index, the #1 language in terms of "popularity".
And not quite freeware, though we'll see how Kaffe pans out. The
good news: JBoss under Kaffe is starting to wiggle.
http://www.kaffe.org/
Then Java will truly be liberated. 
rust us.
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So what's the difference? Developers are free to use Java in their
product without licensing fees. They are free to include the JVM. They
are free to create open source versions of it....they are free
to.....well, you get the picture.....
I use open source products like Netbeans and OpenOffice all the time,
but Open source is not even close to the solution to all problems in
this world.
In the real world, if a person or company puts much effort into a
product, then they sure as hell have the right to try to benefit from
that product. It's called market economics, and it's one of the main
drivers of innovation. The fact that Sun is one of the #1 contributors
to open source (along with IBM, another Java supporter) is a plus. |
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